We have had a number of clients call us lately asking if they should be looking at using Xero Payroll so I thought it about time that I summarised what I have been telling them in one relatively concise post. If you want more detail contact us.
With sick pay, holiday pay, termination pay, PAYE, student loans, and Kiwisaver deductions payroll can be a very complicated thing and if you get it wrong and miss a payment to IRD you are looking at a $250 late payment penalty plus the hassle of fixing up the mess. So using the right payroll system can save you a lot of time and gnashing of teeth.
Broadly the choices are:
- Do it all manually using the IRD calculators
- Use a DIY payroll system that does the calculations for you and tells you how much to pay your staff and IRD – Xero payroll falls into this category
- Use a full service payroll provider that does it all for you
- Thankyou payroll
You use the IRD calculators to figure out how much you pay your staff and what you need to pay IRD for PAYE etc; You pay your staff and on the 20th of the next month you pay IRD the PAYE, and file with them two forms, the IR345 employer deductions form and IR348 employer monthly schedule. If you have a login to IRD’s myIR you can file these electronically.
There are a number of desktop and online systems here of which Xero is one. The systems provide a workflow that helps you manage paying staff and a calculator that works out how much you pay your staff and IRD, and what you to put in the IR345 and IR348 forms. Some of these payroll systems (e.g. Xero) also provide export files that you can upload to myIR for the IR 345 and IR348 forms, and batch files you can upload to the bank to pay your staff and IRD.
Xero Payroll is a good online full feature DIY payroll and getting better all the time. Another good option is Flexitime, with Flexitime you do get the option of allowing them to manage your PAYE filing and payments if you want.
Full service payroll
Now things start to get easy. When you sign up with a full service payroll provider you give them direct debit authority to your bank account. You fill in or check the time sheets for the employees and authorise the pay and the payroll provider does the rest. They direct debit the full amount of the pay from you on the due date and pay the staff. On the 20th of the next month they pay IRD (having already taken the PAYE $ from your account when the pay went out) and file the IR345 and IR348 forms for you at IRD.
Thankyou Payroll gets a category of its own as it is just a little bit different. It is very like a full service payroll except rather than direct debiting the full pay amount from your bank account you make the payment to Thankyou payroll each pay period. They still do the form filling and paying IRD. Updated: There is also a direct debit option, see Hugh’s comment below.
So which payroll is right for you and what will it cost?
The short answer is an online full service payroll or Thankyou Payroll are the best, and the best value, and these are the ones you should look at.
Manual payroll costs nothing but your time (and any penalty payments if you get it wrong). If you pay one or two people on salary and you do it via AP (same amounts each month) and you have a good 20ths of the month process and you always file things on time with IRD and you love doing paperwork then this is the payroll system for you.
Xero payroll is interesting but it still needs you to do the uploading and paying. You can add payroll to starter, standard or premium plans for $10 for the first user per month, and $1 per month per extra user (all plus GST). At the time of writing this Xero don’t have a dedicated payroll helpdesk, if you need help it is via email to their normal helpdesk.
Who should use Xero payroll? If you have Xero already, and really want to hang onto your PAYE $ until the last possible minute, and you are disciplined about filing and paying IRD on time then Xero payroll is a good option.
If you are considering Xero payroll also look at Flexitime. There is a comparable basic $10 per month plus $1 per employee per month (up to 10 employees) plan with email support, or $20/$2 with telephone and email support and more features.
Full service payrolls are definitely the easiest and least risk. They do it for all you, no risk of missing payments to IRD. For Smartpayroll and iPayroll it will cost you around $25 – $35 a month for up to 10 employees. They also have very good email and telephone support help desks – invaluable if you have to work out termination pays or anything out of the ordinary. They also integrate with Xero.
Who should use a full service payroll? Anyone who has to pay staff should. They easily pay for themselves in the time they save you, even at minimum wages.
But there is more – Thankyou payroll is very close to being a full service payroll and it is free. The catch is that you have to transfer/DD the full pay to them three days before it gets paid, so they hang onto your money for a bit longer. If you are a charity, or donate regularly to one, or pay a small fee, then you can get next day payroll processing. Thankyou payroll also have a helpdesk.
Who should use Thankyou payroll? If you pay staff it is worth a look – the price is right and we have had good feedback from clients of our using it.